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Post by my3sonz on Sept 15, 2008 19:36:35 GMT -5
When do "real" practices start ? How many practices per week are allowed ?
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Post by wrestlingfan on Sept 16, 2008 9:06:41 GMT -5
I would also be really interested in the answer to that question. At present, there are the so-called "optional" practices, which we all know are really mandatory if you ever want to have a place in the starting lineup. Been unable to find any info on the NCAA site about off-season practices, and what is permitted before the "real" season begins.
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Post by setonhallpirate on Sept 16, 2008 14:00:30 GMT -5
The specific rule is that practice may begin on either September 7th or the first day of classes, whichever is earlier. However, there is a rule about the season being 144 days long, being broken into no more than two segments (usually, for wrestling, used to allow for a Christmas break), and not counting the mandatory one-day per week that wrestlers have off from practice. Furthermore, an individual wrestler is not allowed to practice until his certification is confirmed and accepted by both the coach and assessor.
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Post by stovepipe on Sept 16, 2008 16:50:00 GMT -5
^^^PIRATE, I assume an incoming freshman is not allowed to practice until his certification is confirmed and accepted by coach and assessor. I assume a returning wrestler who properly certified the fall of 2007 may practice the fall of 2008, based on that certification, without having to have a fall of 2008 certification. Right? -Stove Pipe
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Post by setonhallpirate on Sept 16, 2008 17:43:22 GMT -5
Allen, wrong. A wrestler may not practice until his Section I certification is confirmed and accepted by both coach and assessor for that particular season. Whether that wrestler has certified once, twice, or fifty times in the past is irrelevant.
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Post by stovepipe on Sept 16, 2008 17:59:14 GMT -5
^^^PIRATE, Thanks. So I guess we could say that a Div I wrestler can't practice with, or compete for, his team any given season, unless and until he has certified for that particular season.
I'd like to ask a further question on certifications. Let's say a Div I team this month (Sept) certifies 3 mediocre wrestlers at 125 pounds, and their superstar lower weight, who had competed in previous seasons at 125, certs this month up at 133. Come Jan of 2009, this team still has its 3 healthy, mediocre 125 pounders eligible and competing, but super star wants to cut to 125 for second-semester competition. Is super star allowed to re-certify in Jan of 2009, so he can cut to 125, or is superstar locked in to his Sept certification? Thanks, -Stove Pipe
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Post by setonhallpirate on Sept 16, 2008 18:36:38 GMT -5
Soup R. Star is stuck up at 133. Once the coach accepts and confirms the certification at 133 pounds, Mr. Star is stuck up there, which is one reason the coach wouldn't accept the certification.
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Post by starlight on Sept 19, 2008 13:18:44 GMT -5
so.............what is the deadline for "certifications" for the new season?
are they the same for all college levels?
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Post by jfs on Sept 19, 2008 14:58:07 GMT -5
Starlight, I also would like this question answered! And let me say, in layman terms we can understand. The more I read through this stuff, the more confused I get. There is much talk about guys wrestling at a weight then dropping down. Then people are saying that will hurt in some formula later on. My question is where are the limits ( date, Time wise ) to certify. And who is the assessor? And if you can not practice until certified, what is that all about? Also, is there a number of wresters you can have on a NCAA team? I have been counting members on rosters and thought I had it figured out. Then I saw Navy`s roster and gave up.
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Post by ltwtlooker on Sept 19, 2008 23:36:01 GMT -5
This is another of those wink and nod NCAA rules. It all revolves around weight cutting as it relates to having a Dual meet team for school day life as opposed to winning conference and NCAAS for supporter bucks and draftee schollies
n order to justify wrestling as a team event we have duals. To make money we have large open events. As most wrestling fans are well aware, when two teams have 5 or 6 great match ups the event draws a decent crowd. Unfortunately at most dual meets coaches will overthink everything to prevent great matches to Win one for the Gipper" or "get good matchups"(translates to a sure win)
Sadly the folks in charge of wrestling chose to compete with March Madness for the money event. In addition we have the best of the wrestlers in 3 conferences with arcane qualifying rules in each conference and no regionl events or top to bottom seeding to make the finals a true, fair challenge.
This shallow thinking inhibits National interest imo. Think a moment! Who really gives a big rodents rear about B10 and Little 5 outside the Midwest. The current disconnect has caused an area with 1/6 the countries pop and recently with the rust belt situation, none of the money to be the focus of wrestling. Any wonder why there is no attendance?
I'm guessing that more regional events. Especially in LA, Las Vegas, Minniapolis, NYC, PHILA, St Louis Wash DC and their immediate environs would result in better fan participation. This was the paradigm of NFL AFL Wars, NBA and big time college Bball anf Fball. It is a heck of a lot easier and way cheaper to get to those places and rent a room than Bloomington, Pocatello, Terre Haute, Iowa City, Prison City Nebraska, Stillwater and Bum fuzzle wherever. In fact with good ticket management you can get two weekend trips to Las Vegas for on 2 Quad cites and a long car ride..If you can book a car that is.
Couple that with constant rule changes and broadcasters who spend 4 or 5 minutes talking about riding time while the officials wait until the match is critical to call stalling, fleeing or just about anything other than flagrants while some of the most famous coaches run out onto the mat without sanction and create their own movie and you may begin to understand why you are asking these questions.
The true answer is depends on who you are, who complains and if the old fogeys on the rules committees are awake during the hearingf LOL.
The sorry truth is that NCAA wrestling committee makes many rules in obfuscatory(Sam Clemmons) language and legalese that leaves a lot of enforcement wiggle room. Then they send in Renard to watch Foghorn Leghorn instead of Henry. For the younger set that is Mr. Crab to keep Squidward honest instead of Sponge Bob
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