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Post by ltwtlooker on Aug 9, 2009 0:37:40 GMT -5
Mopar, what are the specific concerns you have with shirting? As far as disparate age then how do you feel about military guys doing 4- 6 years then competing or missionaries or guys who work a few years to save money or injured guyswho lose eligibility or miss large parts of several seasons? I think if anything the rules is too strict for wrestling and because it is usually a money loser the Us don't wish to keep guys around. Bball and baseball and Fball can get 6 under some circumstances
Stove or anyone for that matter are there a good deal of guys who start NCAA career in their 20s and how do they stack up?
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Post by stovepipe on Aug 9, 2009 17:16:05 GMT -5
^^^Redshirting sometimes is necessary and everyone is different. You could write a book on "To Redshirt or Not to Redshirt." Say you have three 125 pounders who are about the same ability. Two of them will be fifth-year seniors, and the other is an incoming frosh who is a small 125 pounder. Yes, I'd want to RS the incoming frosh. Say you have no returning hwt, but have two incoming frosh who each weigh about 250 pounds. Wrestle both of them. Every situation is different. I knew a Div I coach working with only 3 scholarships. He didn't reshirt incoming frosh who were on scholly - doesn't want to pay a wrestler who wasn't competing.
I think dedicated wrestlers in their mid-20's generally have an advantage over 18-19 year olds in wrestling - physical and mental maturity and experience. I also don't like the NCAA's Div I eligibility wrestling rules on eligibility. I'd let full-time students wrestle five years and allow them to compete in an NCAA qualifier a maximum of 4 times. I don't really have a strong opinion on an age limit. If someone wants to enroll full time in college and begin a college wrestling career after 6 years in the Army, 6 years working in a factory, 6 years of prison, 6 years in a monestary, 6 years at the OTC, that's fine with me.
I think it's unfair for the NCAA to select categories of who can take off from Div I wrestling without his clock running. A kid leaves college after his freshman year to go on a two-year religious mission, and that is within the NCAA's exceptions. A kid leaves college after a year to go work in a factory to help support his widowed mother who is destitute, and that's not within the NCAA exceptions. Stop the line-drawing. -Stove Pipe
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Post by ctmopar on Aug 9, 2009 18:59:42 GMT -5
The first thing is scholarships…a walk on is a walk on with no age discrimination really considered… (1) No College is going to pay for someone to show one year and join the service and come back 4-6 years later (2) Some folks think they need a year to get acclimated to college life (3) Some folks think with that year off they’ll be a potential 4X NCAA Champion (4) Quentin Wright finished 6th not really expecting to wrestle…Jordan Oliver just won bronze but with a year of NCAA competition who knows…etc!!! (5) If healthy, making the team(Wrestle-offs) and academically sound put them on the mat!!!
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Post by stovepipe on Aug 9, 2009 20:38:30 GMT -5
MOPAR, I agree that if you have a scholarship incoming freshman who wins the wrestle-offs and is the best guy at his weight, the presumption is you wrestle him, right out of the box. I suppose, in the case of David Taylor, that, if part of the scholarship deal is that the kid wants to be redshirted his true frosh year, then I suppose the coach has an obligation to RS him.
I could discuss redshirting all night long. It's very interesting. One Div I coach who seem to favors having incoming scholarship wrestlers compete as true frosh is Rande Stottlemyer. See what they're made of. -Stove Pipe
P.S. I remember circa 1966 (?) we drove down to the Southern 500 at Darlington, and LeeRoy Yarbrough put that white full fast-back hemi Dodge Charger on the poll. What a beautiful race car!
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Post by JB on Aug 14, 2009 3:08:31 GMT -5
ODU's Kyle Hutter could redshirt this season, as the weight class will really clear out the following year. Justin LaValle, Greco-Roman National Champion and two-time Minnesota state champion could be thrown right into the mix at 133.
It's been discussed, but of course, Steve Martin doesn't really know what he's going to do with the lineup until things fall into place in the early season. If you see LaValle in the line-up in the November 13 dual with Wisconsin, that could be an indicator.
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Post by bronco on Aug 14, 2009 7:10:30 GMT -5
I was told he was at a local event here in Boise a few weeks ago, walking around just fine, and he looked to be no worse for wear from the injury he sustained at the F.I.L.A. Junior national tournament. So I kind of doubt he'll be redshirted.
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Post by jfs on Aug 14, 2009 18:29:02 GMT -5
Good to hear he is ok! Thanks for the info.---JFS
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